ZAINURI : Did you ever hear a President Mubarak ?
BINAR : Yes,I did. He is a the Egypt president.
ZAINURI : What do you think about him ?
BINAR : I think that, he must go down from the possition of president.
ZAINURI : Why, he must go down from the position of president ?
BINAR : Because, he is already govem during 30 years.